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    Post by Harry on Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:08 pm

    Yes im joining the small frame crew. keeping the lambretta but looking for a small frame project, so if anyone has or knows of a small frame for sale that does not need a massive overhaul please let me know. ideally running.
    my aim is to make it as quick as possible haha.
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    Post by ttscshaggy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:11 pm

    Cool man

    speed wise....Whats your budget. Direct reed or rotary/crankcase reed?
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    Post by Harry on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:20 pm

    im not sure yet. id like to spend upto 600 on the scooter itself as long as its relatively good nick and running.

    what would a good but reasonable cost set up be? ...

    you do seem to be like a small frame genius after all haha
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    Post by Skajosh on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:21 am

    Harry wrote:im not sure yet. id like to spend upto 600 on the scooter itself as long as its relatively good nick and running.

    what would a good but reasonable cost set up be? ...


    You might scrape a decent going PK for that i reckon.

    Cost depends on what you want and if you have contacts Wink

    I think my polini build will be about 700 & thats for everything including vespatronic ignition etc & i got a lot of help getting parts next to nothing with really helps Smile

    But don't quote me on it lad, you probs get do something decent a load cheaper.

    If anyone is to build it, let ian do it Very Happy Wink
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    Post by Harry on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:07 am

    yeah i reckon i could find a decent pk for that on a good day. i could probably get a few parts and i have some off my old pk i had to taken off before selling. are parmakits any good ? (question for shaggy)
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    Post by NorthernJordan on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:38 am

    I think you can get a decent pk for that kind of wonga, if you ain't bothered about what engine size its regd at and if it need work etc...

    Good see you are keeping the lambretta Smile do you still need this kit?


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    Post by Wally on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:48 am

    NorthernJordan wrote:I think you can get a decent pk for that kind of wonga,


    Wonga?... fucking WONGA ??





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    Re: small frame

    Post by NorthernJordan on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:52 am

    Wally wrote:
    NorthernJordan wrote:I think you can get a decent pk for that kind of wonga,


    Wonga?... fucking WONGA ??






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    Post by Wally on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:52 am

    Sounds like a realistic budget tho for a project PK or the like, though I thought you didn't like Vespas Mr Walker?


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    Post by Harry on Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:12 am

    Wally wrote:Sounds like a realistic budget tho for a project PK or the like, though I thought you didn't like Vespas Mr Walker?

    im not a huge fan i'l be honest. A pk would not be top of my list for a small frame but they seem to be the cheapest. I do like most vespas and would pick one over any scooter ever made other than a lambretta which in my opinion look x10 better. the only vespas i like alot are GS's and all old vespas along those lines.
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    Post by Harry on Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:14 am

    NorthernJordan wrote:I think you can get a decent pk for that kind of wonga, if you ain't bothered about what engine size its regd at and if it need work etc...

    Good see you are keeping the lambretta Smile do you still need this kit?

    cheers and will let you know soon. my plan is to get a stage 4 175 kit of af rayspeed with a 24mm carb and an vw reverse cone exhaust. then get a small frame unless one comes up for next to nothing.
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    Post by Skajosh on Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:21 am

    Harry wrote:are parmakits any good ? (question for shaggy)

    How rude Suspect
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    Post by MH 13 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:38 am

    puts me in two minds about selling this pk i have now,

    i would have to buy it off my dad for 650 though
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    Post by Skajosh on Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:18 am

    Falc it.
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    Re: small frame

    Post by NorthernJordan on Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:45 am

    Those Parma kits sound good to me, I'd have one.


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    Post by jamievespa on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:07 am

    Guy selling a PK at the top of this group

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/372673452704/
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    Post by ttscshaggy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:13 pm

    Harry, you'r standard rotary parma 130 are good as Tourers. the reed 130 is a tad better. These need to be tidied up out the box tho, casting is a tad rough and un-even.
    heres some previous parma work from me

    this is the out the box rough



    here it is opened up and reshaped



    for the speed tho trying to keep it fairly cheep I'd have a Parmakit SP09.
    With this kit you can get around 20bhp with very little work. keeping it rotary there is less to go wrong. But you could enhance it with a crankcase reed
    This is very good for a smallframe.but obviously you need carb, clutch, and exhaust to compensate ect

    an easier setup but generally cost more are the Direct reed barrels. you just blank the crankcase inlet off and thats less messing about getting the right inlet duration.
    Things get a little more harder if you want to stroke it as the crankcase needs machining and a good thing to do first off is have the gasket face machined down for maximum surface area

    I'd happily do the nitty gritty work for you

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    Re: small frame

    Post by NorthernJordan on Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:41 am

    Off topic, but out curiosity, Ian, can you tune lambretta barrels?


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    Post by ttscshaggy on Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:20 am

    I've worked on a TS1 top end before, not to much difference in the way of doing things
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    Re: small frame

    Post by NorthernJordan on Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:50 am

    Woukd you be able to rework my lambretta cast iron barrel?


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